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‘According to the Burmese Military Activities in Our Area, Finding Real Peace Is Not That Easy’: Fifth Brigade Karen Commander

Located in the depths of Burma’s southeastern jungle, the Fifth Brigade of the Karen National Union (KNU) remains a stronghold of the ethnic resistance movement. On a visit to the basecamp, Burma Link met with three members of the Karen National Defense Organization (KNDO) to hear more about the situation on the ground, including ongoing Burma Army expansion. The commander of the first battalion, Kyaw Mu, has been working for the Karen Revolution since 1975—altogether 41 years. He has been with the Fifth Brigade for eight years, and his current position is the head of the KNDO Battalion Number One. Dom Na Htoo is the 33-year-old landmine survivor who he lost his leg in the explosion but continues serves with the Fifth Brigade. Eh Paw Shee is a 19-year-old woman serving with the Fifth Brigade.

Background: Since Burma gained independence from Great Britain in 1948, fighting has been an intermittent norm for the Karen State. The Karen National Defense Organization (KNDO) was founded in 1947 to protect the Karen people and territory, and remains under its mother organisation Karen National Union (KNU). After more than half a century of armed conflict, U Thein Sein Government initiated a peace process after coming to power in 2011, and in January 2012, the KNU signed a preliminary ceasefire with the Government. Meanwhile, armed conflict and displacement has continued in other parts of the country throughout peace talks, and new conflicts have erupted since eight Ethnic Armed Organisations (EAO), including the KNU, signed the so-called ‘Nationwide” Ceasefire Agreement (NCA) in October 2015. So far the peace process has been exclusionary and non-transparent, and Burma Army has continued its attacks in the north. Whilst conflict has reduced since the 2012 ceasefire in the Karen areas, many are doubtful about the Burma Army’s motivations as they not only continue to attack ethnic nationalities in other parts of the country, but also expand their military reach in the Karen ceasefire areas. Furthermore, according to Commander Kyaw Mu, the Burma Government uses service provision such as education and health sectors to expand their territorial administration into Karen areas, further exacerbating the situation. Tensions run high; “They are putting people in our territories, so sometimes we have some conflicts on the front line,” says Kyaw Mu and urges international assistance to be conflict sensitive and closely follow the peace process. Whilst plans are currently under way for the 21st Century Panglong Conference, for many, the peace process comes across as empty rhetoric given the military’s actions as of late.
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KNDO 1st Battalion Commander Kyaw Mu spoke to this seeming insincerity and the development of the peace process:

Currently, our leaders are having a peace process with the Burmese government and we have to see the result of the peace process afterward. On the ground here, we have not seen any political solution. And, based on the military activity here, it doesn’t look like they are going to give up because they have put up more outposts. They also reinforce and resupply their troops; so it seems like they are not going to give up easily and move out of our territories. But, we have to wait and see.

In our KNDO battalion area, the Burma Army has ten military outposts. Just in our battalion area since 2006 they have increased [their outposts by] one, one more outpost, but in some other brigades and in some other battalions, we don’t know how much. Just in our area here they have increased by one outpost. According to the Burmese military activities in our area, finding real peace is not that easy; obviously for us we cannot see anything [that indicates to us that] we are going to have a real peace, a real peace in the future.

Currently in the fifth brigade, the Burmese government wants to put its administration in our territories and they are doing this in many ways: through education, by putting their administration in our territories, and through health care. They are putting people in our territories, so sometimes we have some conflicts on the front line. They are trying to get more territory by using medical assistance, by using educational assistance, and by trying to help out in our administrative areas. We don’t like that, so we try to resist but still sometimes there is a conflict between the two groups and the two administrations.

This doesn’t mean that we don’t want to receive all the assistance coming to our territories, but we have to look at the political situation and the political dialogue. When everything is solved in a political way and we agree with it, when we have true peace and real federalism, then we won’t try to block or stop all of the assistance coming into our territory.  Since we have not received any productive results and since they have come to the peace talks with our organization we cannot make any conclusions at the moment. So we would rather stand with our principles than rely on any administration beyond our own. When peace comes and everything is OK and we have democracy, then OK, we can accept all of the assistance from the Burmese government.

Recently, Aung San Suu Kyi announced that more ethnic groups should be involved in the peace agreement’s process. At the moment with the new government she has very good intentions for everybody, but we cannot feel really certain about her political goals and her political objective; we have to wait and see how it goes and how she carries out her political objective step by step. We cannot just say whether she is good or she is bad; we have to wait and see and we cannot be so sure and certain about what she is going to do. We have to wait and see because their political activities sometimes are very high up, and for us the people on the ground here we can’t really catch up with what they do. We need to see a good result on the ground before we can say something.

On a final note, Kyaw Mu explained part of the psyche of perseverance that inhabits those involved in the fifth brigade:

 We really want to see stability and real peace in the country but right now people think of us as stubborn; people consider us stubborn and we are not stubborn. We don’t want to fight either; the only thing we want to see is real peace. The current situation we are facing right now is that we see the Burmese activities in our area and we don’t really see peace. And then we are very suspicious about what they are trying to do, but not because we oppose assistance or peace. We are very happy with the peace process, but we want to see something productive. We also want to say openly to other people that we don’t trust the Burmese but maybe sometimes it’s too hard. It’s going to be hard to say that, but in reality from what we have seen on the ground here they are not really making a change and they are improving their military activities. So it’s sometimes very hard to say that we don’t trust them. It may be politically incorrect, but sometimes we speak our mind and about what the truth is in the area here. And hopefully there is going to be a change in the future and we will all stay together and live together.

Karen Major General Nerdah Bo Mya: ‘The Government Is Playing the Game’

Nerdah Bo Mya is a Major General and the Chief of Staff of the Karen National Defence Organization (KNDO), which was founded in 1947 to protect the Karen people and territory, and is under its mother organisation Karen National Union (KNU). Nerdah Bo Mya, 48, was born near Manerplawthe former headquarters of the KNU as well as other ethnic nationalities and the prodemocracy movementas the son of the late General Bo Mya who was the President of the KNU from 1976 to 2000. After being educated in Thailand and in the US, where Nerdah Bo Mya spent six years studying a Liberal Arts degree at a university in California, the young graduate turned away from a future in the US and soon returned to the Thailand-Burma border. For over 20 years, he has fought for “freedom, democracy, and humanity,” against what is undoubtedly one of the most brutal military regimes in the world. This dedicated and empathetic “rebel” leader emphasizes that it is not just the Karen people but a whole nation of 60 million people who are still suffering and need to be freed. Although the international community has enjoyed what some call a honeymoon with the Burmese government since the country started opening up in 2011, according to Nerdah Bo Mya, the government is still not showing signs of sincerity in peace talks nor genuine willingness to change. “The government is playing the game,” he says, and the international community too often indirectly participating in ongoing atrocities. In this exclusive interview with Burma Link, Nerdah Bo Mya talks about the struggle, the current state of the ceasefire and the peace process, the role of the international community, and how to build a prosperous Burma for the future generations.

 Q: Why did you join the KNDO and the Karen struggle?

I joined the Karen struggle because I want my people to be free. I want democracy, and also, we are fighting, struggling for our Karen identity, and self-determination.

Q: How would you describe the current situation in Karen areas?

The current situation right now, it’s quiet. It’s been quiet for two and a half years already, close to three years. But at the same time, human rights violations are still going on. It’s been quiet because we signed the, we call the ceasefire negotiations, with the Burmese government. But, the reason why we’re having ceasefire negotiations with the government is first of all we want to stop fighting, and then after [we] stop fighting then we will have political discussion. After political discussion, if we will come to like a mutual agreement, after that hopefully we will have peace in Burma.

Q: The KNU signed the preliminary ceasefire with the government in January 2012. How has that ceasefire benefited the Karen people or the Karen struggle?

When you look at everything on the surface, it seems like everything is OK, because it’s quiet. But at the same time the Burmese [military] are taking advantage of the situation, and they’re moving their troops in and sending supplies, and rebuilding their outposts, in our territories. So on the other hand, what they really want is to occupy our territories, and what we want is, we want to preserve our identity. So we are going opposite ways.

Q: Where is the peace process now?

I think with this government, it’s not easy, because their strategy is totally different. Their strategy is to wipe out all the ethnic groups, and to call all the ethnic groups to stay under them, to renounce their [ethnic] armed troops. But they [the government] try to manipulate and strategise and play the game, so that people will misunderstand the whole process. But deep down inside, they have no heart for negotiations for peace process, for peace negotiations, so called peace negotiations.

I want to tell the people that the ceasefire situation right now is useless. We cannot trust the government, the government is not sincere for peace talks. They just want to lie to get money, get rid of all the ethnic groups, committing more crimes, committing genocide against the ethnic people. That’s all they want. The mentality is that they don’t change, they just take out their uniforms and inside the same thing. They, you know, they’re not changing at all. Actually, they’re just playing the game. I want to also warn the international community that if they want to invest in Burma they have to talk and listen to many sides before they invest or put money into business in Burma. Otherwise they’re just indirectly killing innocent people. Because the Burmese government is a murderer.

Q: The Nationwide Ceasefire Coordination Team (NCCT), which represents 16 ethnic armed groups, and the government’s Union Peacemaking Working Committee (UWPC) agreed on the draft Nationwide Ceasefire Agreement (NCA) on March 31st. What is your view on this? Is this a significant step towards nationwide ceasefire?

NCCT and UPWC agreed on the draft NCA, but is not working. It is just a political game. Who wants this? The Burmese government wants this so badly just to show to the world that there is peace in Burma. In reality the Burmese government wants us to surrender. Ceasefire with military regime is meaningless. Nothing will be productive under this government.

Q: Do you think the government is willing to discuss the political goals of the Karen and the other ethnic people?

No I don’t think so. The government is playing the game, and trying to manipulate the Karen people and trying to use different groups. In the old days they used to divide and rule, divide and conquer. They’re still using that these days. And then, I don’t think they’re sincere for peace negotiations anyway.

Q: How do you see the current conflict situation in northern Burma? Is it related to the Karen struggle?

It’s related to the Karen struggle because under this military regime we’re all facing the same situation. All the ethnic groups they want to preserve their identities, because they have their own history, they want to preserve it. They want to preserve their culture. And it has been forbidden by the government, [for] many many years. That’s why [there is] the conflict, we still have this kind of conflict, and fighting, between the Burmese government and the ethnic groups.

Q: Much of the ethnic armed opposition is united under the United Nationalities Federal Council (UNFC), which suffered a severe blow when the KNU temporarily suspended their membership in August 2014. What is your view on this? Do you think the ethnic groups should fight as one united front?

I don’t really agree on that one [KNU suspending the UNFC membership], because one way or another we have to rely on each other, because we are on the same boat fighting, trying to achieve the same goal and same objective.
We are trying [for unity], we’re trying hard so that we can cooperate and fight, unitedly, at the same time. But also we are facing some difficulties because people have different points of view, but we’re working very hard so that we can, hopefully not too long, we can come to a point where we can all agree and we can work together closely.

Q: There was one recent attempt towards closer cooperation between the Karen groups with the formation of the Kawthoolei Armed Forces (KAF). What is the current status of the KAF?

Kawthoolei Armed Forces is to unite all the Karen armed groups to stay under one administration, under one umbrella. It means under Kawthoolei Armed Forces we have DKBA (Democratic Karen Benevolent Army), we have [KNU-KNLA] Peace Council, we have KNLA, we have KNDO. Even though they have different badges, but [they] must be under one umbrella administration. And this is what we’re trying to do.
Whether you are DKBA, people can call Kawthoolei Army, KNLA Kawthoolei Army, because our country is called Kawthoolei. The armed forces should be called Kawthoolei Army. So they all agreed on this. So we realised that OK if all the groups agree on this, then we can, it will be much easier for us to put them under one umbrella and one administration. One constitution, so that we have only one army in the Karen State, protecting the Karen territory.

Q: In January 2013 the KNU signed Geneva Call’s Deed of Commitment to protect civilians in conflict. Why was it signed and what does it mean to the KNU? 

We want to make a better change for our nation, so we have to show example to the Burmese government before they sign it. So, we signed it, even though we are struggling for peace and democracy, and they [the Burmese military] outnumber us. Actually we should use up all our strength that we have so that we can counter their military offensive, but on the other hand we want to show them that we are human beings, you know, ‘you cannot really use women and children and people under aged to fight with us, so even though you don’t sign, we sign it.’ So that now we only have voluntary soldiers, and all of them over 18.

Q: How can the international community help the Karen people and the struggle?

The international community, about the struggle in Burma, they have to be participate into it, because it’s not a struggle about freedom only, but for democracy, humanity, and 60 million people need to be freed. Not only ethnic [nationalities] struggle for ethnic rights, we’re talking about 60 million people, they’re human beings, they shouldn’t be under this kind of government. This brutal government is not really thinking about the people and they’re not supporting the people. They shouldn’t be running the country.
International community should realise that they [the government] should respect the rights of human beings, rights of the Burmese people. When they invest without talking with the people, it means they’re violating human rights. So they have to, before they invest, make sure people in Burma have the rights of freedom of expression, freedom to live as a human being, and free from all kinds of atrocities. And then they can invest. But first of all you can’t really invest and deal with a few people, you know, exchanging benefits and forget about 60 million people.

Q: What would you like to say to the Burmese military?

I want to tell them that now we’re living in the same situation, we’re living in the same country. And we cannot really hate each other, trying to eliminate one another. We should work together, we should think about the future of Burma… They [the government] should be more open-minded and think about the future, think about the coming up generations, how are they going to run the country.
And so [it is] time for us to reconsider what we have in our minds, and what [will be] the future of Burma, and how can we live, how can we work together, how can we develop our country, how can we prosper together. They have to think positively rather than try to dominate and control and kill people and they think that they can use force to win and to gain victory.

Q: What would you like to say to the people of Burma?

We’re very strong in our determination. We’re not tired of struggling for freedom for 60 million people. People should realise that preserving our culture is very valuable and people need to have mutual respect towards one another and love one another, care for one another. And this is where we can build a peaceful Burma, and prosperous Burma in the future. Because I’ve been fighting the Burmese regime for 20 years already, but I fight because I love my people. Not because I hate the Burmese people. I realise that this is not an appropriate thing, for only a handful of people trying to control 60 million people, and they’re holding [onto] their power there. I want them to be out and the people will be free. This is want I want, democratic Burma, federation Burma, freedom for Burma.

Q: What is your vision for Burma in the future?

In the future, I think that this government cannot go on for long. One way or another they have to let it go. But through bloodshed or through peaceful means, we have to, we will see. But they cannot go on this way, people cannot stand it. When you have nothing, nowhere to go, then you will stand up and fight for your rights.
We need a free democratic government. And where our people can enjoy equality, equal rights, and enjoy the basic value of being a human being, [and having] human rights.

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